Monday, October 7, 2013

Was there a band who was drowned in commercialism as much as Remioromen?


1: 名無しのエリー 2012/07/25 11:07:26 ID:9vxzQXIN0
レミオロメン以上に迎合し過ぎたバンドって他にいるか?
Was there a band who were bigger sellouts than Remioromen?

http://ors-llp.jp/artist/A_YourSongs.jpg




3: 名無しのエリー 2012/07/26 14:12:15 ID:lLmD2LXi0
レミオロメン=商業主義って
考えるのは、ロキノン厨だけじゃね?
I think that only these Rockin'on brats are the ones who think that Remioromen = sellouts
4: 名無しのエリー 2012/07/26 18:45:21 ID:ETr4BChm0
>>3
朝顔の頃を知らないヤツがよく言ってる
That's something people who don't know them from their Asagao period would say 



5: 名無しのエリー 2012/08/24 16:19:44 ID:DHGKWn0ti
レミオは踊らされた感じだよね。ニワカに殺されたというかさ。
死語かもしれないけど175Rとかも。
It did feel like Remio was manipulated. It's like they were killed off by those fairweather fans.
I think that's also true for 175R, but I think they're obsolete already.
http://cdn.natalie.mu/media/0907/0721/extra/news_large_175R_art.jpg
7: 名無しのエリー 2012/08/25 17:45:14 ID:9eUEVgtG0
商業音楽に最も迎合したバンドはBOOWYなんだけどな
こんなバンドが伝説化されてる時点で
バンドの商業主義化は邦楽の伝統と言える
But I think BOOWY was the band who sold out and catered the most to commercial music.
Just seeing how a band like this is being regarded as a legend just goes to show that commercialism has always been a tradition in Japanese music. 
http://beerjunkie.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_502/beerjunkie/BOOWY20HIMURO2002.jpg?c=a1
8: 名無しのエリー 2012/08/25 18:09:51 ID:n2STMPGvO
にわかファンのせいだけでもない。
アリーナツアーやる時期が早かったし粉雪あたりから一リットルの涙の劇中でも妙にプッシュされててレコ社と烏龍舎のどちらが主導かまで知らんが売り急いだ感じあったなぁ。

ホライズンで離れたファンも結構いると思うのよ。
It's not just the fault of these bandwagoners.
Remio did arena tours too soon for their own good, then they were pushed so much during the time of "Konayuki", and even within the drama 1 Litre of Tears; it felt like their record company or Oorong-sha, whichever was in control, was in panic mode to make these guys profitable, pronto.

And I think that they also had a lot of fans who gave up on them with the album Horizon.


9: 名無しのエリー 2012/08/26 17:23:35 ID:Zr//XWZM0
昔はポニーキャニオンに移籍すると急激に商業主義になるってパターンがあったよな
L⇔Rとかエレカシとか
There used to be a time before when these bands who moved to Pony Canyon would just suddenly started becoming commercial, like L⇔R and EleKashi (* THE ELEPHANT KASHIMASHI)
http://img.unanimecorp.com/artists/Elephant_Kashimashi.jpeg
11: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/02 18:22:16 ID:peTXEEai0
あんだけ宣伝しても粉雪しか売れなかったのは音楽ファンの耳がこえてきた良い傾向だろ。
実際クソみたいな曲しか作れなかったんだから売れなくて当たり前
The fact that "Konayuki" was the only song that truly became popular even after all that promoting is a good sign that the fans have developed a taste in music. Truth is they only made crappy songs, so it's not a surprise that they didn't sell.


12: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/02 20:55:09 ID:Kg8F3hhhO
藤巻ソロ各フェスでガラガラみたいだからな…
It seemed that Fujimaki's solo live sets at all those festivals were badly attended...
http://www.musicman-net.com/files/2012/04/f4f879c26d8a9c.jpg
14: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/03 07:07:58 ID:/gaK77gG0
一時期CMにすごいごり押しされてたよね
あれは明らかに間違ってたと思う
がなりたてるだけのへたくそな歌をお茶の間に撒き散らして拒否反応
There was a point when they were really being forced into these commercial tie-ups.
I think that was obviously the wrong way of doing business.
Did they really expect that bad singing of his where he just kept yelling would bode well with the general public?


16: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/03 22:42:42 ID:Pt8I+uEsi
売り方間違えたよな
本人が商業主義に魂売ったってのもあるんだろうが
サザンにはなれなかったな
スピッツ路線で行けば長生き出来たかもしれんけど
True, they made a mistake in promoting the band.
Well, it's also their fault for selling their souls to commercialism, but they couldn't quite follow the blueprint which SAS has laid down.
If they just followed the path that SPITZ took then they probably could have survived a bit longer.
http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/masayume/2801542.gif
18: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/08 11:26:11 ID:SUm7MiIw0
粉雪がなかったら、いいペースで活動続けられてたかもしれないなあ。
あの一曲がバカ売れしたばかりに、人生が狂った。
They probably would have been able to keep doing their activities at a good pace if it wasn't for "Konayuki".
Their lives were just brought to distraught no thanks to how huge that song became.
19: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/08 11:51:24 ID:huAiFrpUO
最初はポストスピッツとか言われてたのにな
今やロックフェスで浮く存在だし粉雪前のファンはいなくなったし
People called them "post-SPITZ" at the beginning, right?
Now they just stick out like sore thumbs in rock festivals, and they don't have the fans they had anymore prior to "Konayuki".
22: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/08 15:13:05 ID:y+CNnJX/0
どうかなー?
だけど普通にロックバンドやってだらだら活動するよりも
3月9日と粉雪っていうおそらく後世に語り継がれるような曲作れたんだから
それでいいんじゃない?って気がするけど。
クラシックの作曲家でも後世に残るような曲1,2曲作れたらバンザイって感じなんだよ
自分は今のレミオロメンで正解だったと思う。
I wonder?
But instead of dragging on, being a normal rock band; at least they were able to leave songs like "Sangatsu Kokonoka" (March 9) and "Konayuki" behind which will be passed on to future generations, so isn't that fine as it is? That's what I think.
Even classical composers would be happy to just leave behind 1 or 2 songs as a legacy. I personally think what Remioromen did was right.
26: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/09 18:55:31 ID:D+rUiXkF0
本当に下手すぎ
あれだけ下手なのにCMまで出て歌って、身の程知らずに見えた
I'm serious, they're horrible.
And as if that wasn't enough, they even sing in commercials, and they seemed like they just didn't know their place.


27: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/09 20:36:21 ID:s9amdMRwO
歌あんまり上手くないのに高音で声張り上げる曲ばかりでTV出てたのは残念だった。
3月9日とか声域に無理のない口ずさみやすい歌のほうが声の持ち味活かせてたのに。本来スピッツ路線なのにミスチル路線で行ってしまった印象。
It was so disappointing how they kept appearing all over TV, yelling like that despite not being too good at singing.
I think songs with low, plausible vocal ranges like 3gatsu Kokonoka would have been able to feature his vocal characteristics more prominently. It looked to me like they were supposed to go down the SPITZ road, but they decided to make a detour and progress through the MisChil road.
28: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/10 10:50:28 ID:0s9dPzeiO
アイランドってこういうことについて歌ってたの?
Did their song "Island" refer to stuff like this?


29: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/10 23:28:16 ID:1352e/xbO
アイランドめっちゃ好きな曲だわ
今度藤巻ライブ大阪行くけどどうしてこうなってしまったんだろう感が強すぎる
フェスタとか雨上がりみたいなアルバムの曲をまた3人でやってほしいや
I love that song "Island".
I'll be going to Osaka for Fujimaki's concert, but I still can't help but feel for him seeing how things just turned out like this. I hope the 3 of them make album songs like "Festa" and "Ameagari" once again.


41: 名無しのエリー 2012/09/23 19:37:53 ID:Sp4FIFvZO
WOWOWでソロ見たが思ったよりよかった
少なくともレミオロメン末期よりはだいぶマシ
I saw his solo on WOWOW, but it was better than expected.
At least he was much better than the final days of Remioromen.
50: 名無しのエリー 2012/10/07 18:02:29 ID:Gnlz0wev0
レミオロって、音楽的素養も才能もないのに
スピッツの形だけマネして偶然当たっただけだろ
だから実力が試される長丁場では
化けの皮が剥がれて続かなかったわけさ
Remioromen has no musical fundamentals nor talents, yet they just tried copying SPITZ and they just got a lucky hit, right? That's why their secret was blown out of the water during the long stretch where one's talents are tested.
51: 名無しのエリー 2012/10/07 20:13:46 ID:WNCTZT1IO
>>50
初期の叙情的な世界はスピッツみたいにひねくれてもないレミオなりの良さがあったよ。
どちらかというとスピッツ的なバンドなのにミスチル的なバンドになろうとした、仕立てようとしたとこがこのバンドの不幸だったと思う。
But their initial lyrical phase wasn't as warped as SPITZ's, and they had their own appeal.
It was more of them trying to imitate MisChil even though they were a band that resembled SPITZ more. That was their misfortune.
56: 名無しのエリー 2012/10/21 08:36:07 ID:No1W96KcO
藤巻ソロで商業主義から脱却したな
Fujimaki finally got out of commercialism with his solo efforts
68: 名無しのエリー 2012/10/30 07:29:52 ID:qV5/VAV8O
原点回帰したのが遅くて手遅れになった人達
They are the people who were a bit too late in returning to their roots
85: 名無しのエリー 2012/12/17 18:54:50 ID:hfUvKnnS0
商業音楽ガーって所詮売れないバンド連中の嫉妬言葉でしょ?
But complaining how some bands are sell-outs is just jealousy on the part of the unpopular bands, right?
93: 名無しのエリー 2013/01/04 19:56:08 ID:hfpRWg2DO
CDJも夏フェス同様ガラガラだった…
CDJ was empty too, just like the summer festival...
100: 名無しのエリー 2013/01/27 01:52:46 ID:YFV+Jx860
>>1
シドとかも酷いぜ
メジャーに行ってPOP化するバンドの典型
SID was a horrible case of that too.
They suddenly turned POP once they made their major debut.
101: 名無しのエリー 2013/01/27 21:14:03 ID:N2KClXJF0
メジャー行って大金渡され特長をプロデューサーに消されて売れなくなったらポイ
それが日本
You sign a major deal, given a large amount of money, then the producer kills off all your good points, and then throws you away once you don't sell anymore.
That's Japan for you.




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